Re: Obama's victory & Proposition 8

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Re: Obama's victory & Proposition 8

Postby Kerkevik » Thu Nov 20, 2008 3:58 am

Hi all,

I was browsing new fic the other day and, while I was doing so, I was listening to Barack Obama's acceptance speech (with particular reference to the first half of part three, linked below), and found myself with tears in my eyes.

I have been hard put to explain to myself why, while I was unsurprised at the passage of Proposition 8 in California, I wasn't depressed about it. Listening to Obama talking about Anne Nixon Cooper, as I said, I found myself crying and very, very, hopeful.

I posted the message below to two Willow/Tara mailing lists. Last night I decided to send to you guys. To those of you who are fans of, or at least familiar with, Joss Whedon's Buffyverse I believe you will recognise the concept, or at least one of the concepts, I think he was trying to get across. Never giving up on the belief that doing the right thing should be, and is, it's own reward.

Thanks for reading, listening, and watching,
Ray.

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Hi,

this started as just a short message about a lovely new Willow/Tara fic I found on the Open on Sunday LJ but, as I was searching for new fics, I was also listening to Barack Obama's acceptance speech... and thinking of the passing of Proposition 8 in California. While you ponder that negative result, listen to him speaking about the106-year old voter, and the changes for good that have happened in her lifetime.

Those who voted down the right for all people to marry the person they love. They will be defeated and people like Willow & Tara will be able to love who they want to love - without restriction.

Barack Obama's election has proved that it will happen one day.

Fifty-three years ago an unknown black seamstress refused to give up her seat on a bus. Forty years ago Gay people rioted, simply for the right to be. We now have queer TV channels, lesbian soap operas on mainstream TV - and an african-american with a muslim name is President of the United States of America!

They will not hold us down forever!


The New World by CMK418
http://community.livejournal.com/open_o ... 12210.html

Barack Obama's Acceptance Speech (Grant Park, Chicago, Illinois,November 4th 2008)
- 1 http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=FrXkBuWNx ... re=related
- 2 http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=02BV5Zah1Tw&NR=1
- 3 http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=69JeattgA ... re=related

World Oldest Living Black Person (Gertrude Baines) At 114, a daughter of former slaves votes for Obama !
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=LnmMqeG3_Vw

I've also included a couple of wonderful vids.

MissLolaRose (Jill Abrams)
- Mom on her Two Gay Kids
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=x1oIDQbW3 ... re=related

- Mom says No on Prop 8 - Yes on Gay Marriage!
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=EHrcW6CKJ ... re=channel

And here's what 'Buffy' had to say...
http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=M7-MWcs4qfg

Here's a video of a song that we should remember too. I had the good fortune to hear him read his poetry at my first Pride.
Something Inside So Strong by Labi Siffre (Live)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otuwNwsq ... re=related

This last vid is for all those who voted for Proposition 8. I don't they're reading this, but pass it around to someone who can pass it on to them if you can.

An Inspiring Love Story For A Beautiful, Special Someone
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=YASOLL78r ... re=related

To Willow & Tara I say this - YES WE CAN!

Still under Willow & Tara's spell,
Ray Harley (46-year old Queer-identified bisexual male - who refused to believe it possible that Obama could until he heard it on the Radio 2 news the following morning)

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Sorry if It all sounds a bit emotional, but I am feeling a little passionate that my human rights are being denied by so large a part of a race of beings that claim to believe in universal love.

Time to get off my soapbox,
I hope you will take the time to go through this post,
Feel free to mail me if you wish,
Thanks again for listening,

Ray.
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Postby Kyrax » Thu Nov 20, 2008 5:59 pm

Great post Ray - I'll follow the links after work, but I like the sentiment.

I'm a straight male Californian who is furious that my state passed that darned amendment. I know that in time this too will go down and be buried by the advancement of society. But it still bothers me greatly. And unlike many of my fellow conservatives, I look at laws like prop 8 (which is intended to overturn a court ruling that Gay Marriage was protected under California's constitutional equal rights clause) as intrusions into the private lives of all of our citizens, not just the prude enforcement of what some think is the right way for things to be.

A positive thing in all of this, if there is a positive, is that a similar vote was taken several years ago and passed with over 60% of the vote. For the latest vote to be 52-48 is a good sign. The polling also showed clear trends of more open-mindedness towards gay and lesbian rights among younger voters, a trend upheld in national polls here in the U.S. So as time goes on and narrow minded voters age out, these laws will change.

So here's to the time when we can look back on silly laws like America's "Defense of Marriage" act or similar state rules as quaint anachronisms. Just like we look back on Jim Crow's "back of the bus" and "no coloreds" signs and shake our heads and the craziness that this was once the law of this country.
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Postby Alessar » Fri Nov 21, 2008 8:26 am

This really is not on-topic for Mediacrity. Mentioning that Buffy had some gay characters who would have been affected by this is irrelevant. As a general political comment, it belongs in The Den.
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Postby Kerkevik » Fri Nov 21, 2008 11:36 am

Hi,

I think it's very relevant to Joss Whedon's message, particularly as it was his treatment of gay characters (the way Tara's death was handled notwithstanding, that brought me to his 'verse) but, if you feel it belongs in The Den, I have absolutely no objection to it being moved there.

Of course it was originally intended for Willow & Tara-specific lists but, I felt that the people on this forum might be interested enough to make it worth posting it here.

If you wish to move it, how do I do it, or can you handle that? I'm not sure of the procedures.

Oh, and rather than post a separate message, Kyrax? - The speech, particularly the passage that had affected me so much, made me defiant, not depressed. Determined, not angry.

And that, given my long history of mental health & depression problems, is a very good sign indeed. So, whatever issues I may have with Joss for the way in which Tara's death was handled, I have a lot to thank him for.

Still under Willow & Tara's spell,
Ray.

ps. Whoops :oops: ! Just realised that it had already been moved. Feeling just a 'lil stupido here :shock: ...
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